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我连中国银器都没扯清楚,外国的就更晕了,来学习一下
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均为镀银。
似谢菲尔德镀银器,1896年以前制。
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历史已经发生了,也就没有“假如”了。

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y3y6y9 发表于 2011-7-24 11:27
烦劳版主有机会把各个国家的不同银器徽章,印记一一列出,配图片文字后置顶,这样可以让新来者有个学习基 ...

内容太多了, 不可能都贴上来, 中文的网上买刘玉平老师的书就可以知道.
英文的可以查看, http://www.925-1000.com/
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均为镀银。
似谢菲尔德镀银器,1896年以前制。

这个貌似扯了点吧?
请告诉我,哪个英文让你看到有谢菲尔德镀银器字样了?
ATMENIAN的意思是亚美尼亚。
SILVER没有前后缀的难道成了镀银?
镀银的东西,英文怎样标示,好象外国人还是很诚实的吧?
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好好学习 发表于 2011-7-24 07:04
建议不用这些很老的勺子吃东西, 因为有些老的里面含有铅.

铅是一种严重危害人类健康的重金属元素,它可 ...

哦,抱歉了,昨晚貌似没有找到瑞典那把,倒把亚美尼亚的发上来了,奇怪````````

可能英文差的缘故吧,回头再找找:funk:

个人理解,欧洲银器含铜量多,基本不含铅,因为都是高炉冶炼。不用添加什么低熔点的东西。
含铅的大都是日本银器,因为工业化晚,很多银器制作时需要降低熔点,所以看氧化痕迹能看出来。
本国的老银很奇怪,完全不同于同时期任何国家。
含银量高的吓人。
我随手拿把勺子都能用两跟手指弯掉它。
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本帖最后由 好好学习 于 2011-7-24 20:27 编辑

nutshell是根据其它图标判断的, 他看银标很多, 经验丰富.

但ATMENIAN Silver 的出处我没有找到.

镀银很多是在白铜, 也就是所谓的德国银, nickel silver 上镀的, 这种白铜主要含铜, 镍, 锌. 但锌多来自铅锌矿, 老的白铜提纯不好就容易含有锌, 新的不存在这个问题.

也有其它含银合金的名称, 拷贝如下.
Silver Alloy Marks and Trade Names
In this guide I will outline the numerous silver alloy marks and trade names that have been used throughout the world on antiques and collectibles.
Many of these marks can confuse the buyer, dealer or collector if they aren't knowledgeable in the different trade names and alloys.
Please note that these markings and tradenames are not for sterling silver. I have listed as many trade names and types of alloys as I can find.  
  Afghan Silver: another name for nickel silver.
    African Silver: a mark that was found on some English silverplated items 1850-1900.
    Alaska Metal: a trade name for a line of silverplated flatware that resembled sterling that was sold by Sears & Roebuck & Co from 1908-on.
    Albu Silver: a British manufacturer of plated-brass novelties, who used this mark starting in the 1880s.
    Alpaca or Alpacca, ALP, Alpacca Prima NS: other names for nickel silver, used as a trade names for Berndorf AG of Austria.It is now a generic term used by Germany,and Scandinavian Countries as well as Mexico.
    Aluminum Silver: the trade name for a non-silver alloy, used by Daniel & Arter of Birmingham,England.
    Argentium Argentine Plate:  nickel silver.
    Argentum: nickel silver.
    Austrian Silver: nickel silver.
    Bengal Silver: another trade name for a non-silver alloy, used by Daniel & Arter of Birmingham,England.
    Brazil Silver and Solid Brazil Silver: these are two names that are used for nickel silver, also called German silver, which is a silvery- white alloy of copper, nickel and zinc. This alloy contains no silver at all.
    Brazilian Silver: another trade name for a non-silver alloy used by Daniel & Arter of Birmingham,England.
    Bristol Silver: a trade name for a non-silver alloy that looks remarkably like silver, made by the Bristol Mfg. Co. of Attleboro,Massachusetts from 1895-1915.
    Coin Silver: This is a generic collector's/dealer's term for objects that have been made of melted coins.There was never a governmental standard or legally required mark for coin silver. Please note that it is virtually impossible to find "coin silver" marked on objects on hollowware, jewelry or flatware made during the 1850s-1860s. You will however find this mark on reproductions. There was a time during the 1920s-1930s when some jewelry and other small items were regularly marked "coin silver" that made by Southwestern Native Americans and Mexicans.Some other marks are "coin", "pure coin silver", "standard", and sometimes you may find the word "dollar".  During the minting process, coins had been alloyed with a hardening agent added to help withstand circulation. The coins had a silver content of 900/1000. The sterling standard is 925/1000 and is softer. In the early 1800s, there was a lack of silver ore from the mines and in order to curb competition with American silversmiths, there was a refusal of foreign sources to sell bullion to America. The height of coin silver's popularity was the 1850s and 1860s. The decline of melting down silver coins started in the late 1860s, when newly discovered silver mines in Nevada were found and the US government started to require that foreign tariffs and duties were to be paid in coin or bullion. With this increase of silver, American silversmiths began to use the higher standard of sterling silver in making their wares.
    Continental Nickel Silver:  nickel silver.
    Empire Art Silver: a trade name for silverplated base metals used by the E & J Bass Company of New York, used during 1890s-1930.
    England Silver:  nickel silver.
    EPNS and EPBM: items marked with EPNS are made of Electro-Plated Nickel Silver. This was an inexpensive way to get the look of sterling silver, by electroplating a thin silver coating onto a nickel base. Sometimes the mark can be slightly confusing at first glance, as some companies tried to mimic English sterling hallmarks, look closer and you will most likely find your mark says EPNS. Items marked EPBM are made of Electro-Plated Britannia Metal which is electro-plated pewter or nickel silver.
    German Silver: this is by far the most confusing mark to some people. This is the most common mark you will find for the silvery-white alloy made of copper, nickel and zinc. This alloy contains no silver at all, however, I generally see some sellers on ebay attempting to call this real silver or sterling when it isn't. German silver can be polished and will gleam just like sterling silver, I use Weiman's Silver Polishing Cream.
    Gun Metal: alloy in the bronze family, generally used to make cannons and other industrial products. It is also loosely used to describe other dark-grey cast metals.
    Japanese Silver: another trade name for a non-silver alloy used by Daniel & Arter of Birmingham.England.
    Laxey Silver: another trade name for a non-silver alloy used by Daniel & Arter of Birmingham, England.
    Mexican Silver: this is a non-assayed mark, there is no guarantee of silver content. I believe that most items marked Mexican Silver are most likely nickel silver alloys.
    Nearsilver: a tradename for nickel silver, used by an unknown manufacturer.
    Nevada Silver: a trade name for a non-silver alloy used by Daniel & Arter of Birmingham, England.
    New Silver: nickel silver.
    Nickel Silver: an alloy that resembles sterling, it is made up of copper, zinc, and nickel.It has no silver content.
    Norwegian Silver: trade name for nickel silver used by WG&S.
    Oregon Silver: a mark found on some pieces of English silverplate around 1880s.
    Paktong,Pakfong,Baitung,Paitun.: obsolete names for a Chinese metal alloy related to nickel silver.
    Panama Silver: this mark is generally found on flatware that is made of nickel silver.
    Pearl Silver: this mark is generally found on flateware that is made of nickel silver.
    Potosi Silver:  trade name for nickel silver used by WG&S.
    Siberian Silver: a mark that is found on some English silverplated copper pieces from the late 1800s.
    Silvanir and Silverine: two seperate trade names for non-silver alloyed items manufactured by the Nov-E-Line Mfg.  Co of New York from 1890-1910.
    Silveroin: a trade name for a non-silver alloy used by the Bristol Mfg.Company of Attleboro,Massachusetts from 1895-1915.
    Solid Yukon Silver Warranted: a tradename on some silverplated items manufactured by the Raymond Mfg.Co of Muncie, Indiana, no production is noted after 1920.
    Sonora Silver: trade name for nickel silver by Walker & Hall, Sheffield,England.
    Sterline: a trade name for a non-silver alloy used by James E. Blake Co of Attleboro,MA around 1902.
    Sterlon: a trade name for silver alloys and plated wares used by Milton Schreiber of New York, first used in 1949.
    Tutenag: obsolete name for an Indian metal alloy related to nickel silver.It was also used to describe zinc commercially supplied from India.
    Tyrol Silver: nickel silver.
    Utah Metal: a mark found on flatware of  non-silver alloy.
    Venetian Silver: trade name for nickel silver used by Deykin & Sons,Birmingham,England.
    Wolf Silver:  a mark found on flatware of non-silver alloy.
    Yukon Silver: a mark found on flatware of non-silver alloy
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有不熟悉英语的藏友可以用狗哥翻译.
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哦,抱歉了,昨晚貌似没有找到瑞典那把,倒把亚美尼亚的发上来了,奇怪````````

可能英文差的缘故吧, ...

瑞典银标是三个皇冠后面加S, 通常不会写Swedish silver.

软硬不是判断含银量高低的标准, 有的925银可以比800银还硬.  

总的来说, 西方银器标了800, 830, 835, 900, 925, sterling 的, 含银量大都都有保证.

但也有例外, 比如就发现有标950 silver 的日本假冒东西.

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